DANIEL
Week 11, chapter 4
When we concluded Daniel chapter 3, it was with a proclamation made by King
Nebuchadnezzar addressed to (as he modestly puts it) everyone in all the earth. This
proclamation essentially ordered all of his subjects (who he reckoned was every last soul on
the planet) to show respect for the God of Shadrakh, Meshakh, and Aved-N’go; a god that the
king currently called the Most High God.
Most High God is a dynamic English translation of the Aramaic word illay that in Hebrew is el,
which means the highest god in the pantheon of gods and goddesses. So as a result of the
king’s experience of watching these 3 Jewish lads miraculously emerge from the superheated
furnace unscathed, he wanted to honor their god who rescued them by naming him the illay
god; the most high god.
But as I pointed out last time, just like the ethics, morals, and opinions of politicians change
with the weather, so does the pecking order of the many gods of ancient culture. On the day of
this proclamation letter from the king, it was the unnamed god of the 3 Jews that
Nebuchadnezzar called the Most High. In a few months (probably less), he would drop that
and designate another god as Most High.
I also want to point out that some bible versions will put the final 3 verses of chapter 3 as the
first 3 verses of chapter 4. I could make a case for it either way. But it doesn’t matter; the bible
wasn’t divided into verses and chapters until hundreds of years after the biblical canon was
formulated and closed. And they were created for little more than a convenient way to study
the Word of God and communicate it to others. Generally speaking they do no harm.
Let’s read Daniel chapter 4.
READ DANIEL CHAPTER 4 all
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This is as difficult a chapter as there is in Daniel to properly study and understand. So I would
like to again remind you that we are still in the portion of Daniel that was written in Aramaic, the
language of the gentile world at that time. And also that the thoughts and speech that we hear
from the mouth of Nebuchadnezzar are the thoughts of a pagan, spoken in the context of his
pagan, multiple-god worldview. To inject Hebrew thought (or Christian thought) into it is an
error from the aspect of how Nebuchadnezzar viewed it. Nonetheless, since this dream/vision
was from the God of Israel, we have to look past the way the king thought about it and
described it and instead discover what the Lord intended to convey. So getting to the best
interpretation without adding too much speculation is a dicey matter. Many bible scholars and
especially Christian denominational leaders are used to, and demand, nice neat doctrines
drawn with sharp lines; so sometimes we’ll read rigid and simplistic commentary on this
portion of Daniel that misses the mark substantially. The reality is that on some matters in
Daniel 4 we’re just not going to be able to be quite as definite as we’d like to be.
Here’s what we see: King Nebuchadnezzar has it made in the shade. He explains that he was
content, happy, enjoying life and the luxury of his palace, and glorifying himself in the
accomplishments of having created the largest empire the world had ever known. His empire
was at peace, operating like clockwork. Every race, language, tribe and ethnic group of the
scores of kingdoms and nations that formed his enormous and diverse empire had sworn
allegiance to the one-world government of Babylon (and thereby to Nebuchadnezzar) by
means of the empire-wide ceremony of the dedication of the golden statue (the one that nearly
cost Shadrakh, Meshakh, and Abednego their lives). So the idea is that the king was under no
stress or particular anxiety because, according to him, things were good. He was relaxed, and
then suddenly, from nowhere, comes a troubling series of dreams. But that wasn’t all; the
dreams were followed up with visions, which means he was receiving this message both while
sleeping and awake. He couldn’t escape it.
This bothered him and so naturally he called together all of his Chaldean seers to interpret his
dream to calm him down. Notice the differences this time versus the earlier time when he
sought interpretation about the frightening dream of the statue consisting of 4 different metals.
First, the dream about the statue happened early in his reign when his empire was not fully
under control. He had governing problems, and wasn’t sure if he’d ever be able to achieve the
stable empire he sought. So he was no doubt unsettled in his thoughts and agitated in his
spirit. Second, as a test of their ability to tell him the truth the king demanded that his Chaldean
seers not only tell him the meaning of the dream about the statue, but the actual content of the
dream itself. They failed, of course, and if not for Daniel would have been executed.
This time, however, he was peaceful and relaxed in his mood and spirit; and when he called
the seers to his palace, he was only too happy to tell them the details of his dream (no tests)
and then they would merely be responsible to interpret it. But when the experts in the several
different fields of the Chaldean black arts (magicians, sorcerers, seers, etc.) were told the
dream, they were at a loss to know its meaning. After their failure, the king called for Daniel.
And as we see, he was able to tell the king the meaning of his latest dreams and visions.
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Interestingly, scholars and bible commentators have had a difficult time with these opening
passages because they ask why the king would have called his Chaldean seers first, and then
only after they failed would he call in Daniel? Their answers vary, but the most popular one is
that several years had passed and the king had forgotten about Daniel and the dream-statue.
Others say that the king would not have called his Chaldean seers at all, but would have
immediately summoned Daniel, so this is just good storytelling that heightens the suspense
and once again elevates the Jewish Daniel. I can’t agree with either of these views. I think the
answer is clear and logical.
The pagan king had a dream, and although it was somewhat disturbing there was nothing
about it that wouldn’t have been familiar from his pagan worldview. The use of trees as
metaphors for power and for a few other reasons was commonplace. The appearance of an
angelic being was usual in Babylonian theology. Further since several years had passed since
his famous dream-statue dream, no doubt the king had had many other dreams and these
same Chaldean seers had given him satisfactory answers as to their interpretation. Most of the
great king’s dreams were just dreams like we all have almost every night; but in that era ALL
dreams were thought to have meaning. And when a king had a dream that seemed unusually
poignant and repetitive his thought was that because of his lofty position the outcome of the
dream was especially important as it could affect his entire kingdom and so he needed
answers. Thus he had a ready team of folks to call upon who were trained in such matters, and
no doubt they were called upon regularly.
What is interesting is that in this matter of the tree-dream of chapter 4, his regular team of
Chaldean seers had no answer. Why? What stumped them? I think the matter is clear: this
was a true message to the king from the God of Israel and not a run-of-the-mill dream. How
would non-Believers be able to make heads or tails of it if it was from God? Thus we can
surmise that back in chapter 2 had Nebuchadnezzar relented and told the Chaldeans the
content of his dream at the outset they still wouldn’t have been able to interpret it since it was
a message from Yehoveh. So in verse 5, after his usual seers can’t interpret his dream, the
king no doubt figures that the source of this tree-dream must be the same as it had been for
the statue dream and so he called for the Hebrew Daniel who communed with this particular
god who imparts dreams.
Notice something key about chapter 4: we have Nebuchadnezzar doing the speaking in the 1
st
person. In other words the king himself is being quoted and he is the one telling the story. Thus
we are getting this narrative entirely from his point of view, and it will be told in his vernacular
and described in terms familiar to him within his pagan Babylonian culture.
So he calls Daniel Belt’shatzar, the new Babylonian name in the Aramaic language that
Daniel was given several years earlier upon his arrival in Babylon. While the meaning of the
name isn’t agreed upon, it no doubt is a combination of the chief Babylonian god’s name
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(which is Bel), and then the word tshatzar is attached. Some say it means “Bel protects his
life.” Rashi says that tshatzar is a Babylonian expression of unknown meaning. Further is
seems that the never ending change to the pecking order of the gods had again evolved, and
as of now Nebuchadnezzar openly says that Bel is his god. Whether that means his personal
god, or that Bel is the national god of Babylon (that is most likely), or that Bel is currently
considered the Most High god (the El, or in Aramaic the illay) isn’t entirely clear. Either way,
Daniel had been re-named after the god Bel.
And then Nebuchadnezzar says that Daniel has in him the “spirit of the holy gods”. What does
he mean by this? Again, scholars disagree. Some say the phrase is not the “spirit of the holy
gods” (plural) but rather it is “spirit of the holy god”. That is, that the king is saying that Daniel
has in him the spirit of the God of Israel who gives and interprets these dreams. But that is far
too monotheistic and Hebrew of a viewpoint to be ascribing to a gentile king who just
pronounced that his own god is Bel. Further the sense of the Aramaic word kaddiysh (which is
typically translated to English as holy) more has the sense of meaning “divine” than holy
because in Babylonian theology the word is equally applied to angels and to gods especially if
they are “good” gods. So we don’t want to cloud the matter by using the English word “holy”,
which creates a specific mental picture for Christians and Jews and is usually applied
exclusively to the Lord and to His activities. Therefore the king’s intent is that he recognizes
Daniel as having a special and intimate connection to certain gods that are among the good
gods. Gods that look favorably upon Nebuchadnezzar and Babylon.
So in verse 6 the king continues by calling Belt’shatzar (Daniel) the Chief of the Magicians.
And indeed we learned earlier in the Book of Daniel that the king had put Daniel in charge of
his Chaldean seers (at least the ones who lived in Babel), so “Chief of the Magicians” was
more or less Daniel’s formal title, and it is not be taken as a compliment or flattery; just as fact.
Thus convinced that Daniel is the one to interpret his dream because Daniel was connected to
the right god or gods, the king sets about telling him his dream about the tree.
The CJB says that the tree “grew and became strong” (a past event that was completed), but
in fact the grammar is in the imperfect so it means that the dream-tree was still growing and
getting taller and stronger. It was located at the center of the earth (where ever that was
perceived by the king to be) and had grown so high that it reached the sky (or probably better,
to the heavens). The tree seems to have stood apart, by itself, not in the midst of a forest of
other trees. I suspect that for Nebuchadnezzar Babylon was the center of the earth, and in
later prophecies (including Revelation) Babylon is seen as the center of the earth at least as far
as commerce and governmental power is concerned. The idea of every person over the entire
planet (or at least throughout the Babylonian Empire) being able to see this amazingly tall and
majestic tree means that this tree affects everyone who seeks its shelter, and that at the least
everyone on earth is aware of the existence of this powerful and unmatched tree.
Thus we read of those who eat of its limitless fruit and the birds that live in its endless
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branches, and the wild animals that use it as shade for protection from the harsh elements. So
while the tree and its benefits are available to all, not all creatures avail themselves of it. So far,
there isn’t anything in this scene to cause fear or disquiet in the king. But suddenly
Nebuchadnezzar saw a “holy watcher” coming down from heaven in order for it to pronounce
an oracle. It was the subject and content of the oracle that was terrifying, not the enormity of
the tree. What is a holy watcher? Once more: do not think in terms of Hebrew or Christian
religion. While what the king saw was certainly something brought about by the God of Israel
and so in that sense this holy watcher was not only real but divinely sent, the king could only
recognize it, think of it, and name it in terms of his Babylonian theology. Let me tell you what I
mean by that and why this shouldn’t trouble us at all.
In the Book of Revelation John gave us his visions of the future especially that of a period
typically called the Tribulation and then the End of Days and Armageddon. And what he tells
us, he tells us in terms of the Hebrew culture and world conditions of his day and describes
things that he sees in ways that his mind can make any sense of them. For instance
Revelation 9 we read these familiar passages:
Rev 9:7-10 CJB
7
Now these locusts looked like horses outfitted for battle. On their heads were what
looked like crowns of gold, and their faces were like human faces.

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They had hair like women's hair, and their teeth were like those of lions.

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Their chests were like iron breastplates, and the sound their wings made was like the
roar of many horses and chariots rushing into battle.

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They had tails like those of scorpions, with stings; and in their tails was their power
to hurt people for five months.
And a little later in that same chapter:
Rev 9:17-19 CJB
17
Here is how the horses looked in the vision: the riders had breastplates that were fire-
red, iris-blue and sulfur-yellow; the horses' heads were like lions' heads; and from their
mouths issued fire, smoke and sulfur.

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It was these three plagues that killed a third of mankind- the fire, smoke and sulfur
issuing from the horses' mouths.
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For the power of the horses was in their mouths- and also in their tails, for their tails
were like snakes with heads, and with them they could cause injury.
I think it is close to unanimous in theological circles that what is being spoken of are modern
day weapons in some cases, perhaps bio-engineered creatures in another case, and so John
may have been envisioning a tank battle or attack helicopters or militarized genetic
modifications or even chemical warfare; but how could he possibly make sense of it and find
the words for things that wouldn’t exist for 2000 years; the strange things that he saw in his
vision? So he tells us about it by describing it all using the only vocabulary available to him. He
uses metaphors and illustrations of things that reminded him of horses, but they weren’t
horses. Things that had tails like Scorpions, but they were neither tails nor (probably) were
they Scorpions. He’s telling us the unvarnished truth as best as his mind could comprehend it
in an ancient world only a few decades removed from Christ’s crucifixion.
It’s the same for Nebuchadnezzar. He sees something that is real and of a spiritual nature in
his tree-dream, but the Babylonian concept of the spiritual world is quite different from the
Hebrew and biblical concept of the spiritual world. So he naturally uses his own familiar
Babylonian cultural terms to sense it and express it, because he has nothing else to go on. So
what we have here is essentially a game of inter-cultural (if not interfaith) charades and now
Daniel must untangle it, and so must we.
At this point, there is an abrupt change in the narrative. Up to now the king has been explaining
what he saw. Beginning in verse 11 he is directly quoting what some kind of strange being in
his dream said to him. A being that Nebuchadnezzar called the holy watcher pronounces his
decree regarding the tree of the king’s dream: cut it down! Remove the leaves and scatter its
fruit! Remove the habitat for the creatures that live in its branches and eliminate the food
supply of those who depend upon it! But……the magnificent tree is not to be destroyed entirely
or permanently. A stump of the tree is to be left intact so that its roots can live and (now this
important) so that the tree can regenerate. The command from the watcher (which in reality is
an angel of God no doubt) is not actually to “cut it down”, but rather it is a declaration that “it
shall be cut down”. In other words, the angel is not commanding someone in particular (for
instance the king or some other angelic beings) to cut down the tree. Rather it is just a
message that the tree will be felled. It is an impersonal message to all who hear it.
Further the remaining tree stump will have bands of iron and bronze placed around it. There is
some issue as to whether this is one band of metal that is made of both iron and bronze, or
whether it is two separate bands, one of iron and the other bronze. From a purely logical
viewpoint it’s hard to argue for one band of mixed metal since bronze is already a mixture of
tin and copper. So for me it’s hard to make sense of thinking of it as one band. So I surmise
that it is two bands. The stump will be left in fertile soil and with water provided from the sky so
it will have the nutrients it needs to survive and re-grow. But since it is being left in the
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countryside, then the stump will share the same type of wildlife existence as do the animals of
the fields.
Verse 13 then says (referring to the stump): ‘let HIS heart and mind cease to be human and
rather to take on the nature of animal’. I remind you that this is Nebuchadnezzar recounting
his dream to Daniel, blow by blow, but he doesn’t yet know what it means and we haven’t yet
been given an interpretation. So for the moment calling the stump “he” is a little strange. And
then saying that this stump is going to have HIS mind exchanged for an animal mind also adds
to the mystery (which shall shortly be solved).
But then comes another part of the verse that, by the time we’re through with this chapter, still
will not give us a definitive answer that we can hang our hats on. It says, “And let 7 seasons
pass over him”. At least that’s what it says in the CJB. This is the period of time that the
stump’s mind will become an animal mind and that the stump will live an animal existence.
Other versions say, “Let 7 years pass over him.” A couple of versions even say, “Let 7 months
pass over him”. But the most literal translation is, “let 7 times pass over him”. We’ll deal with
this more in a few more verses but for now just understand that the words seasons or years or
months do not appear here; rather those are terms that various modern editors decided that a
“time” ought to amount to and so removed the word times and substituted their own term. But
also understand that the number 7 DOES matter here in this context. Since this is a vision from
God, even though it was given to a non-Believer, and since it is a heavenly messenger
delivering God’s message, then the use of the number 7 denotes that indeed what is
happening is divinely ordered and that 7 means what it usually means: completion in an
idealistic way.
This divine messenger, called a holy watcher by Nebuchadnezzar, concludes the
announcement by saying that what was decreed was also unchangeable. And that its purpose
was so that men (mankind) might be led to recognize the immutable sovereignty of the Most
High over all kingdoms and therefore over all kings. This El, the illay god, controls all from on
high and he will give dominion over the earth and its nations and kingdoms to whomever he
likes. No king can be a king without his permission; no king can remain a king without his
blessing. And no one can decide for the Most High who shall be a king, or what class of society
they must come from.
King Nebuchadnezzar says that this is the entire dream, and that none of his Babylonian seers
could figure it out, but that he has every confidence that Daniel can because he is spiritually
connected to the holy gods who gave the king the dream.
Beginning in verse 16 (verse 19 in some versions), Daniel interprets. But keep in mind that
what we have is the king recounting what Daniel said. That is, just like he recounted what the
holy watcher told him in his dream, now as the story continues the king is still narrating and so
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he is telling us what it is that Daniel said to him. The sentence structure is a little awkward but I
have no doubt that it is because some later editor had his hand in this and the fact that we
have several ancient Daniel manuscripts that word this passage slightly differently attests to
that fact. No matter which version, however, the thrust is the same and there is no
disagreement or conflicts among the versions except regarding grammatical minutia.
Daniel is loyal to Nebuchadnezzar and wishes him well. His loyalty stems not only from the fact
the he and his Jewish cohorts and the Jewish exile population in Babylon are being treated
decently, but also because Daniel knows that this king is God’s choice and God has given him
dominion over the earth for 3 generations. So when Daniel hears the dream he at once
understood, was awestruck, and it shocked him to his soul. It was unexpected and it was not
good news; yet he must tell the king forthrightly and honestly the harsh truth: divine judgment
upon the king was imminent.
The king instantly saw that Daniel was distressed and told him not to hold back out of fear.
This was a wise king who knew that his Chaldean seers typically wanted the king to be
pleased with their dream interpretations. They tended to tell the king what they thought he
wanted to hear so that they could feel more secure in their lives and in their lofty positions. So
in verse 17 Daniel swallows hard and begins to recite what God told him that the dream meant.
The gigantic tree is King Nebuchadnezzar. But we also have to remember that in some
respects a king and his kingdom are one, inseparable. So the vision of the tree is about
Nebuchadnezzar AND Babylon, although as we’ll see the immediate impact concerns
primarily the king.
Further, in verse 19, Daniel agrees with the king that the king’s greatness is unapproachable
on earth, and that the entire earth is under his rule. But this is a spiritual, heavenly viewpoint
and not a physical earthly reality (such as the viewpoint that the king holds). There is much
more on earth than the Babylonian Empire, which, of course, is what the king rules over.
However at this moment whatever happens anywhere on earth the Lord is harmonizing with
the rule and dominion of Nebuchadnezzar. So from that aspect, everyone on the planet is
affected by Nebuchadnezzar who is the tree in the dream.
But now the bad news: since he is the tree, he is about to be chopped down. He is going to
lose his power and his dominion, and after a brief repeat in verse 20 of the king’s dream, in
verse 21 Daniel makes clear something that the king had misunderstood in his dream. The
king seemed to think that the holy watcher was not only a messenger but the one who had
created the decree. In Babylonian theology angels were more independent from the gods than
they are in biblical Hebrew theology. Angels indeed could decide upon a mission and carry it
out on their own. But not so with the angels of Yehoveh. So Daniel tells that king, “It is the
decree of the Most High that has come upon my lord the king”. Or adding in an Aramaic word,
“It is the decree of the illay that has come upon my lord the king”.
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Before we close for today I want to make a point that is thorny and not necessarily popular
because it steps on a lot of traditions. It is to give you food for thought and one we all need to
contemplate and consider as until recently it didn’t seem all that important. Throughout
chapter 4 we see constant mention of the term Most High (Hebrew el, Aramaic illay).
Belt’shatzar (Daniel) uses the term, and Nebuchadnezzar uses the same term. But I promise
you that the mental picture that each man had of the Most High, and just who that is, is
different. That is because illay, Most High, is a title and not a personal name. It is like our term
president or prime minister or king or even Mister. These are titles for an office, not the name
of the office holder. We don’t know who, exactly, we are talking about until we add the
person’s name that holds that office. As anyone who has lived past 20 years knows, all
presidents and prime ministers and kings are not the same. They have different sets of
attributes, strengths and weaknesses. They adhere to widely varying ideologies, morals and
ethics, and operate on differing principles. So to refer to the illay, the Most High, is incomplete.
In a certain respect Daniel and Nebuchadnezzar were talking right by each other. Daniel
probably realized that, but I can’t imagine that Nebuchadnezzar did; he was oblivious.
That is why I tell you (and anyone who has the ears to hear) that there are only two ways to
know God: His name and His attributes. God is a title and an office, like president or king; God
is not a name. The correct response to someone who says “God”, ought to be which God?
What’s His name? Today, especially, we can add to that: what are His attributes and
characteristics and if He has a holy book, what is it? I’m sorry to say that so many Christians
(and Jews) are oblivious to the reality that within modern mainstream Judeo-Christianity
especially, is a movement to accept any name and any set of characteristics for who it is that
holds the office of God. The catalyst seems to be an exaggerated and out of balance desire to
evangelize Muslims. That desire is so great among many denominations and missionary
organizations that just like with Nebuchadnezzar and Daniel; both sides accept talking to one
another concerning the Most High but really only wind up agreeing that there exists an office of
“The Most High”. Who, precisely, occupies that office is talked around, and His characteristics
are generally either disregarded or so reduced to over-simplicity (such as God is love) as they
can be assigned to any number of possible office holders.
That is why in what is loosely called the emergent Church, which is really just a new name for
the liberal church, that the term Muslim-Christian has gained acceptance and seems to go
almost unchallenged. A Muslim-Christian is defined as a Muslim who remains loyal to Islam at
one level or another but who also has a belief in Jesus and has expressed a commitment to
follow His instructions (at least from a philosophical aspect). However, this person does not
believe in the deity of Jesus, does not believe that Jesus died and rose from the grave, and
does not believe that Jesus is the Messiah and saves. The 2 holy books of the Koran and the
Bible as seen as co-equal. Jerusalem, therefore, ought to be the co-capital of both Islam and
Judeo-Christianity. And foundation of the problem is this: many Christians and most Jews no
longer want to give a name to the officeholder of the office of God, or to expound upon His well-
defined attributes and characteristics. Because if that happened there would be no way to have
such thing as a Muslim-Christian. Such supposed middle ground suddenly disappears,
because it is a mirage to begin with.
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I could go on and on about this issue, but what I want you to leave here with today is the
importance of knowing the difference between a name and a title, and why God’s name and
His attributes are so terribly important for us to know and understand, and for us to be able to
explain to others. And it is why as Believers we must not allow any other name or set of
attributes to be assigned to the office of God, the Most High, regardless of personal cost.
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